[KyOSS Discuss] Suggested discussion topic: IPv4 address exhaustion and IPv6 adoption

alan blount alan at zeroasterisk.com
Mon Sep 17 10:45:49 EDT 2012


But it seems to me (non-networking guy that I am) that you can have both
and route either way, right?

So providers assign a IPv6 to each of their customers, in addition to the
IPv4, and the world remains happy.



On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Jeff Squyres <jeff at squyres.com> wrote:

> Note that it's a very different thing to say "there isn't enough demand"
> vs. "we're not going to do it."
>
> Barton is right in that it's a chicken-n-egg problem: providers like IgLou
> won't spent the time/effort to go IPv6 because not enough people (know that
> they) want it.  And not enough people want it because their providers are
> not forcing them to it.  But if providers start forcing people to IPv6 --
> particularly if you're among the first providers to do so -- you'll lose
> customers.
>
> Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Britt Dodd <brittman914 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Someone needs to inform IgLou of this. They evidentially haven't read
>> the news and don't believe its a problem. I guess they bought a huge
>> block of IPv4 addresses back in the day....I had inquired about IPv6
>> addresses and say said they haven't looked into IPv6 because there
>> wasn't enough demand for them.
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Alan Blount <zeroasterisk at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Sounds like a very interesting topic. Alas I am not going to be helpful
>> with
>> > the answers to these questions, but I'll be very interested to hear
>> them.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sep 16, 2012, at 3:25 PM, Barton Chittenden <bartonski at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > On September 14, RIPE NCC, the European regional internet registry,
>> started
>> > allocating IP addresses from its last /8 address block. This is the
>> > beginning of the end of the allocation of the IPv4 address space (i.e.
>> > addresses of the form xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) as we know it. Allocation of IPv4
>> > addresses in Europe is now strictly rationed.
>> >
>> > ARIN (American Registry of Internet Numbers) will be down to its last
>> /8 by
>> > this time next year.
>> >
>> > The long term solution to this problem is to start using IPv6 addresses,
>> > which are essentially unlimited (The address space is so large that you
>> > could assign about a thousand times the current internet address space
>> to
>> > each cell of every one of the 7 billion people on earth).
>> >
>> > The problem of switching to IPv6 is a chicken-and-egg problem: internet
>> > users won't switch to IPv6 addresses because there are very few sites
>> that
>> > they can connect to which use IPv6, and no content providers use IPv6
>> > addresses because no-one visits via IPv6. Most ISPs don't provide IPv6
>> > addresses (or if they do, no-one realizes that they do).
>> >
>> > There are some short-term solutions, but they destroy the point-to-point
>> > nature of the internet which can cause problems.
>> >
>> > I have a decent handle on what's happening and why, but I have zero
>> > experience with setting up a network using IPv6... in many ways, it
>> should
>> > be transparent (as IPv4 is... you connect your computer to a router via
>> cat5
>> > cable or wireless, and you're connected). Obviously, it's not quite that
>> > easy, if it was, we would all be using IPv6 and we wouldn't be worrying
>> > about running out of address space.
>> >
>> > I was wondering if some of the local network gurus could give a talk
>> about
>> > this:
>> >
>> > A primer on IP addresses in general
>> > What physical steps do I need to take to set up an IPv6 network? (e.g. a
>> > LAN).
>> > Are there any issues involved with running both IPv4 and IPv6 on the
>> same
>> > network?
>> > How do I connect to the internet via IPv6?
>> > Will my ISP provide IPv6 addresses?
>> > Are there security issues involved with using IPv6, and if so, how do I
>> fix
>> > these?
>> > ...
>> >
>> > Any takers? I would be willing to do the presentation, but, as I said, I
>> > have zero practical experience, and I think that the topic deserves more
>> > than hand-waving.
>> >
>> > --Barton
>> >
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