[KyOSS Discuss] Suggested discussion topic: IPv4 address exhaustion and IPv6 adoption

Alex Hagerman alex.hagerman at gmail.com
Mon Sep 17 11:07:28 EDT 2012


I'm not sure on the first point, but at least on the second while in a
perfect world that sounds great, no ISP is going to let that money grab get
away with IPV6.

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:45 AM, alan blount <alan at zeroasterisk.com> wrote:

> But it seems to me (non-networking guy that I am) that you can have both
> and route either way, right?
>
> So providers assign a IPv6 to each of their customers, in addition to the
> IPv4, and the world remains happy.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Jeff Squyres <jeff at squyres.com> wrote:
>
>> Note that it's a very different thing to say "there isn't enough demand"
>> vs. "we're not going to do it."
>>
>> Barton is right in that it's a chicken-n-egg problem: providers like
>> IgLou won't spent the time/effort to go IPv6 because not enough people
>> (know that they) want it.  And not enough people want it because their
>> providers are not forcing them to it.  But if providers start forcing
>> people to IPv6 -- particularly if you're among the first providers to do so
>> -- you'll lose customers.
>>
>> Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Britt Dodd <brittman914 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Someone needs to inform IgLou of this. They evidentially haven't read
>>> the news and don't believe its a problem. I guess they bought a huge
>>> block of IPv4 addresses back in the day....I had inquired about IPv6
>>> addresses and say said they haven't looked into IPv6 because there
>>> wasn't enough demand for them.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Alan Blount <zeroasterisk at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Sounds like a very interesting topic. Alas I am not going to be
>>> helpful with
>>> > the answers to these questions, but I'll be very interested to hear
>>> them.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sep 16, 2012, at 3:25 PM, Barton Chittenden <bartonski at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > On September 14, RIPE NCC, the European regional internet registry,
>>> started
>>> > allocating IP addresses from its last /8 address block. This is the
>>> > beginning of the end of the allocation of the IPv4 address space (i.e.
>>> > addresses of the form xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) as we know it. Allocation of
>>> IPv4
>>> > addresses in Europe is now strictly rationed.
>>> >
>>> > ARIN (American Registry of Internet Numbers) will be down to its last
>>> /8 by
>>> > this time next year.
>>> >
>>> > The long term solution to this problem is to start using IPv6
>>> addresses,
>>> > which are essentially unlimited (The address space is so large that you
>>> > could assign about a thousand times the current internet address space
>>> to
>>> > each cell of every one of the 7 billion people on earth).
>>> >
>>> > The problem of switching to IPv6 is a chicken-and-egg problem: internet
>>> > users won't switch to IPv6 addresses because there are very few sites
>>> that
>>> > they can connect to which use IPv6, and no content providers use IPv6
>>> > addresses because no-one visits via IPv6. Most ISPs don't provide IPv6
>>> > addresses (or if they do, no-one realizes that they do).
>>> >
>>> > There are some short-term solutions, but they destroy the
>>> point-to-point
>>> > nature of the internet which can cause problems.
>>> >
>>> > I have a decent handle on what's happening and why, but I have zero
>>> > experience with setting up a network using IPv6... in many ways, it
>>> should
>>> > be transparent (as IPv4 is... you connect your computer to a router
>>> via cat5
>>> > cable or wireless, and you're connected). Obviously, it's not quite
>>> that
>>> > easy, if it was, we would all be using IPv6 and we wouldn't be worrying
>>> > about running out of address space.
>>> >
>>> > I was wondering if some of the local network gurus could give a talk
>>> about
>>> > this:
>>> >
>>> > A primer on IP addresses in general
>>> > What physical steps do I need to take to set up an IPv6 network? (e.g.
>>> a
>>> > LAN).
>>> > Are there any issues involved with running both IPv4 and IPv6 on the
>>> same
>>> > network?
>>> > How do I connect to the internet via IPv6?
>>> > Will my ISP provide IPv6 addresses?
>>> > Are there security issues involved with using IPv6, and if so, how do
>>> I fix
>>> > these?
>>> > ...
>>> >
>>> > Any takers? I would be willing to do the presentation, but, as I said,
>>> I
>>> > have zero practical experience, and I think that the topic deserves
>>> more
>>> > than hand-waving.
>>> >
>>> > --Barton
>>> >
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>>
>> --
>> {+} Jeff Squyres
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