[KyOSS Discuss] [JUGGL] November Meeting - The Night Before Thanksgiving (Nov 27th @7PM)

Michael Speer knomenet at gmail.com
Mon Nov 18 18:28:59 EST 2013

I saw this language pop up on the python mailing list earlier this week (
and still receiving the odd reply ). I can see the reasons for the
developers to want to work on a new language, it's fun.

But why is Red Hat pushing the language?

Here's a nice thread I found looking to compare it with Scala ( though old,
I see nothing indicating the opinions are out of date excepting complaints
of existence ):


And here is a more recent ( from last year ) usenet thread where the author
( Gavin King ) is comparing his creation with Scala:

Looks like it could be an interesting presentation.

On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Deven Phillips
<deven.phillips at gmail.com>wrote:

> The November meeting is scheduled for the night before Thanksgiving. I
> understand that this may not be an optimal schedule for many people, but we
> can always revisit any interesting talks at a later meeting.
> The meeting will begin at 7PM, but show up as early as 6PM if you want to
> talk, ask questions, or just socialize!!
> Anyhow, here's a quick overview of the currently planned content.
> *First Hour: Build An Android 4.4 App In An Hour*
>     We will build a simple Android with 4.4 compatibility in an hour...
> Bring your laptops and make sure you download Android Development Studio
> beforehand!!!
> http://developer.android.com/sdk/installing/studio.html
> *Second Hour: An Introduction To Ceylon*
> Key features of Ceylon
> Ceylon is a language for writing large programs in teams.
> Here's some of what's special about it.
>  Cross-platform execution
> Ceylon programs execute on Java and JavaScript virtual machines, and can
> easily interoperate with native code<http://ceylon-lang.org/documentation/current/introduction/#interoperation_with_native_java_and_javascript>
> .
>  Platform libraries
> Ceylon provides a brand-new modular SDK<https://modules.ceylon-lang.org/categories/SDK>
> .
>  Modularity
> Code is organized into packages and modules<http://ceylon-lang.org/documentation/current/introduction/#modularity>,
> and compiled to module archives.The tooling supports a system of module
> repositories, with Ceylon Herd <http://modules.ceylon-lang.org/> as its
> social focus point.
>   Tooling
> Ceylon has a full-featured Eclipse-based IDE<http://ceylon-lang.org/documentation/current/ide> and
> excellent command-line tools<http://ceylon-lang.org/documentation/current/reference/tool/ceylon/subcommands/>,
> with support for modularity baked right in.
>  Powerful type system
> The type system is especially clean, elegant, and powerful, featuring intersection
> and union types<http://ceylon-lang.org/documentation/current/introduction/#principal_typing_union_types_and_intersection_types> as
> basic building blocks, along with enumerated types<http://ceylon-lang.org/documentation/current/introduction/#enumerated_subtypes>
>  and type aliases<http://ceylon-lang.org/documentation/current/introduction/#type_aliases_and_type_inference>
> .
>   Object-oriented programming
> Programming with objects is a breeze. Everything is an object, even
> numeric values, even the null value, even a function or class. Handle
> collections with higher-order functions<http://ceylon-lang.org/documentation/current/introduction/#higher_order_functions>
>  and comprehensions<http://ceylon-lang.org/documentation/current/introduction/#comprehensions>.
> Model difficult relationships with mixin inheritance<http://ceylon-lang.org/documentation/current/introduction/#mixin_inheritance>
> .
>  Type inference, flow-dependent typing, and typesafe null
> Ceylon is more typesafe than other languages, but you write down fewer
> types: the language featureslocal type inference<http://ceylon-lang.org/documentation/current/introduction/#type_aliases_and_type_inference>
> , flow-dependent typing<http://ceylon-lang.org/documentation/current/introduction/#typesafe_null_and_flow_dependent_typing>,
> a typesafe null value, and a typesafe switch statement.
>  Simplified generics with fully-reified types
> Generics that don't suck: Ceylon "fixes" generics<http://ceylon-lang.org/documentation/current/introduction/#simplified_generics_with_fully_reified_types> with
> declaration-site covariance and contravariance, reified type arguments, and
> principal instantiation inheritance.
>  Typesafe metaprogramming
> Annotations<http://ceylon-lang.org/documentation/current/tour/annotations/#annotations>,
> a typesafe metamodel<http://ceylon-lang.org/documentation/current/tour/annotations/#the_metamodel>,
> and reified generics are the foundation of Ceylon's unique approach to
> typesafe runtime metaprogramming, which makes framework development a
> pleasure.
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