[KyOSS Discuss] Wednesday's meeting: Test-Driven Devlopment (TDD) and other wonders

John Hicks johnhicks at gulfbridge.net
Tue Oct 8 16:55:54 EDT 2013

Sounds like there's interest and willing presenters, so let's talk about 

That's tomorrow night (Wednesday, October 9) at 6:30 at LVL1, 814 East 
Broadway, rear entrance, park in the lot to the rear of the rear entrance.

To put yourself in the mood, your homework is to do at least the first 
problem at "You can't program Javascript under pressure 
<http://toys.usvsth3m.com/javascript-under-pressure/>" and to notice how 
it verifies the correctness, or lack thereof, of your answer, running 
through a series of tests.

(I know both Charles and Alan are PHP developers like I am. I'm curious 
to see how TDD is done in PHP, where there are often side effects to 
functions beyond what's returned from the function call.)

We'll have time to talk about other things too. Any other subjects you 
all want to talk about?


On 10/08/2013 12:42 PM, Alex Bezuska wrote:
> I would love to learn more about TDD, I am a newb in this area. 
>  looking forward to KYOSS tomorrow
> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Chris Rockwell 
> <chris at chrisrockwell.com <mailto:chris at chrisrockwell.com>> wrote:
>     I'm definitely interested in a series on this, whether it's at
>     JSLou or KYOSS.  Can't make KYOSS this month though, so just cover
>     the basics :)
>     On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 11:58 AM, alan blount
>     <alan at zeroasterisk.com <mailto:alan at zeroasterisk.com>> wrote:
>         If anyone's interested in a series on TDD, I can demo how
>         we're testing at work with CakePHP, TravisCI, smoketest, etc...
>         Also, I have not yet cracked into unit testing / TDD with
>         MeteorJS, but a lot of work has been done in those areas and
>         I've been meaning to get into it.  Happy to dig into an
>         investigation sometime (JSLou?).
>         {I've been putting it off waiting on "official" specifications
>         from Meteor, but they do have "semi-official" tinytest for
>         packages, which we could implement on a simple package I've
>         released which needs some tests}
>         *Background*
>         if anyone does NOT know what we are talking about with "unit
>         tests" or "test driven development" - it's basically an
>         approach for writing code to test your code... More work up
>         front, and usually 2x-3x the total lines of code; but you end
>         up with something that is a LOT more reliable, readable,
>         referenceable, and provable.
>         If you're just popping out a Wordpress install, don't worry
>         about this.
>         If you're building anything you care about, you should worry
>         about this... even if it's not a big project you want to
>         maintain forever, the habits of TDD *will* make you a better
>         programmer and your code will forever be easier to
>         upgrade/update/refactor/collaborate on.
>         Thanks,
>         -alan
>         On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Chris Simmons
>         <chrissimmons2 at gmail.com <mailto:chrissimmons2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>             Wow John! Thanks for the detailed response!  We should be
>             there tomorrow barring any unexpected road blocks on my part.
>             Thank you,
>             Chris Simmons
>             On Oct 8, 2013, at 12:32 AM, John Hicks
>             <johnhicks at kyoss.org <mailto:johnhicks at kyoss.org>> wrote:
>>             On 10/07/2013 10:46 AM, Christopher Simmons wrote:
>>>             I haven't been to one of these meetings in over a year.
>>>              I was thinking about coming to this month's meeting and
>>>             bringing someone who is just starting to get interested
>>>             in technology.  What do we have on the agenda for this
>>>             month?  Are there any entry level topics being covered
>>>             this week?  Anything that a new linux / Open Source user
>>>             might be able to follow and not get too overwhelmed?
>>>             Thanks in advance!  I'm looking forward to Wednesday.
>>             Chris,
>>             We've tossed a couple of ideas around, but so far nothing
>>             solid is on the agenda.
>>             Ideas discussed:
>>               * Joel Tosi (in Chicago) mentioned "presentations /
>>                 workshops around puppet, vagrant, etc.,"  and "the
>>                 continuous delivery space or devops" He could come
>>                 down in the future to lead something, but not this week.
>>               * Chris Rockwell and Paul Yost (from IvyTech) have been
>>                 in communication about creating a LiveCD that
>>                 supports USB wireless. Chris invited Paul to the
>>                 meeting to discuss it further.
>>             Another idea:
>>               * Alex Bezuska, who is leading the JSLOU Javascript
>>                 group, has offered to take on a remake of the front
>>                 end of the kyoss.org <http://kyoss.org> website as a
>>                 JSLOU project.
>>               * Craig Garner has pointed out a number of deficiencies
>>                 in the back end of the site.
>>               * John Hicks, the perpetrator of the site, has been
>>                 completely anal-retentive about keeping it
>>                 programmed-from-scratch (despite the fact that some
>>                 of the code is approaching 10 years old and he hasn't
>>                 done diddly-squat lately to improve it).
>>               * Therefore, we might reasonably ask John to explain
>>                 the architecture of the site a bit so that we might
>>                 help him along with back-end improvements.
>>             Other topical topics:
>>               * NSA/privacy/transparency developments
>>               * Cryptography - anybody else signed up for the
>>                 Stanford course?  (It's week five. I really need to
>>                 get started on it!!!)
>>               * The apparent movement to Linux for gaming
>>               * New Linux kernel
>>               * hardware developments... seem to be multiple takes
>>                 out recently for a PC+Arduino board
>>               * ... what did I miss?
>>             Also,
>>               * We could have a live "You can't program Javascript
>>                 under pressure
>>                 <http://toys.usvsth3m.com/javascript-under-pressure/>" competition.
>>                 Or at least a demonstration of how the site
>>                 implements test-driven development (TDD).
>>               * TDD is a subject that's been suggested, but it's
>>                 probably too late to expect anyone to prepare
>>                 something by Wednesday.
>>               * I struggled with Mailman and Postfix this past week
>>                 getting the JSLOU mailing list going. I could show
>>                 what I was struggling with, and some of you gurus
>>                 could elucidate on what was probably happening under
>>                 my clueless nose.
>>               * We always have an interest in git, vim, etc.
>>               * Barton could give us some more command line gems. Or
>>                 we could follow his suggestion for each of us to
>>                 bring our favorite
>>                 little-used-but-invaluable-when-needed commands to share.
>>               * We are overdue talking about networks and network tools.
>>               * We could compare our various work environments for
>>                 coding. IDEs/editors/screen setups, etc.  Our work
>>                 habits, ways to get "in the zone." ...
>>             Any other ideas, folks?
>>             John

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