[KyOSS Discuss] Meeting Wednesday at new venue: Click IT Staffing

Deven Phillips deven.phillips at gmail.com
Tue Jul 8 12:53:59 EDT 2014


@Randy - Excellent points... Especially if some of the code you are writing
it meant to be a library/module for someone else to use in their projects...

Deven


On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Randy Syring <randy at thesyrings.us> wrote:

>  I agree that self-documenting code is really imortant.
>
> However, higher-level comments can be very helpful so that devs who follow
> you don't have to read every line of code to understand.  For example, if
> you have a function, describing what the function takes as input, what it
> does, and what it will give in return is really helpful for someone who may
> want to use the function but doesn't want to read all the code to figure
> out how it works.
>
> I just read an article about this not too long ago, wish I could figure
> out where it was.
>
> *Randy Syring*
> Husband | Father | Redeemed Sinner
>
>
> *"For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his
> soul?" (Mark 8:36 ESV)*
>
>  On 07/08/2014 12:27 PM, Ryan Hartlage wrote:
>
> ryanplusplus on github
>
>  Regarding comments, I follow the rule that if your code needs a comment,
> your first step should be to refactor your code so that it doesn't need a
> comment.  If there's no sane way to do so or if the comment is required to
> document some external issue that you're working around, then add the
> comment.
>
>  Ryan
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Deven Phillips <deven.phillips at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> FYI, you can create an issue on the project which is a "question"...
>> Currently, I have a question our there for suggestions on what storage
>> backend to use... Head over and share your thoughts please!!
>>
>>  https://github.com/KYOSS/kyoss-topic-manager/issues/3
>>
>>  Deven
>>
>>
>>  On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Deven Phillips <
>> deven.phillips at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Geez, this is just too much fun!!! I have set up the project in TravisCI
>>> for continuous integration. This will give us instant feedback about if our
>>> merges or changes cause problems.
>>>
>>>  Just like a real development team... This could be such a valuable
>>> teaching resource!!!
>>>
>>>  {GRIN}
>>>
>>>  Deven
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Deven Phillips <
>>> deven.phillips at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Right now, John and I will have permissions to merge pull requests...
>>>> Here's some other "rules" we might like to follow:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    - No changes get merged without decent unit/integration tests
>>>>    - Code comments should be present, but not overwhelming
>>>>    - Issues should include use cases/instructions for reproducing the
>>>>    error
>>>>
>>>>  Those are pretty common requirements on agile teams... Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Deven
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Deven Phillips <
>>>> deven.phillips at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> OH, let's follow GitHub best practices, so.... Fork the repo, make
>>>>> commits on your own repo, and then submit pull requests to have your code
>>>>> added to the main repo...
>>>>>
>>>>>  Deven
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Deven Phillips <
>>>>> deven.phillips at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No problem, if you think that Meteor is the way to go, we can try
>>>>>> that too... I have created the organization on GitHub and started adding
>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  The repo is: https://github.com/KYOSS/kyoss-topic-manager
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Go there, start creating Issues/Feature requests for what you think
>>>>>> that the application should be able to do...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  This is a meritocracy, so the best solutions will rise to the top
>>>>>> as we go...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  So EXCITED!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Deven
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:29 AM, alan blount <alan at zeroasterisk.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  zeroasterisk "alan blount" https://github.com/zeroasterisk/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I'd like to learn more about both AngularJS and Vert.x - so I'm
>>>>>>> *totally* on board... though I can't resist wanting to throw out
>>>>>>> the challenge that it could probably be built "Fastest" with MeteorJS...
>>>>>>> just sayin' :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Before meeting:
>>>>>>>  * build repo & send link (deven)
>>>>>>> * basic roadmap/features on github wiki (all)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Feature Boilerplate (draft):
>>>>>>>  * OAuth shared auth
>>>>>>>  * monthly allotment of votes
>>>>>>>  * topic management
>>>>>>> ** name, description, presenters, resource_links
>>>>>>> ** any authenticated user can add topics
>>>>>>>  ** any authenticated user can edit/delete own topics
>>>>>>>  ** any mod. can edit/delete any topics
>>>>>>> ** any authenticated user can upvote on topics
>>>>>>> ** any authenticated user can comment on topics
>>>>>>>  * meeting management
>>>>>>>  ** name, date, location, description
>>>>>>>  ** topics (possible)
>>>>>>> ** topics (presented)
>>>>>>>  *** comments/feedback/resources
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Bullet points/goals:
>>>>>>> * agile
>>>>>>> * git collab/workflows
>>>>>>>  * pair programming
>>>>>>> * technology stacks (Vert.x & AngularJS, Bootstrap3)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Possible future Extensions on this same project:
>>>>>>> * rebuild in Meteor (challenge mode)
>>>>>>> * wrap in Cordova/PhoneGap so it's a mobile app
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Thanks,
>>>>>>> -alan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Deven Phillips <
>>>>>>> deven.phillips at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK, anyone interested in getting in on this, send over your GitHub
>>>>>>>> username and I will add you to the organization...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Deven
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Chris Rockwell <
>>>>>>>> chris at chrisrockwell.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not that I'm aware of, or that I can turn up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris Rockwell
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Deven Phillips <
>>>>>>>>> deven.phillips at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Does KYOSS have an "Organization" on GitHub yet? If not, I can
>>>>>>>>>> create one and add all interested parties to the group. Then, we can create
>>>>>>>>>> a new repo and start creating issues/feature requests.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Deven
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Chris Rockwell <
>>>>>>>>>> chris at chrisrockwell.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like a great idea Deven - I know I'd learn a lot!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Rockwell
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Deven Phillips <
>>>>>>>>>>> deven.phillips at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Edit, Tomorrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Deven Phillips <
>>>>>>>>>>>> deven.phillips at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, hell yeah!! That's the PERFECT topic for tonight!!! Let's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all work together to BUILD AN APP!!! We can all work on a project using
>>>>>>>>>>>>> agile methods, pair programming, git, etc...!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Deven Phillips <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> deven.phillips at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ooohh... I see a webapp coming on!!! The KYOSS topic voting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> app with a Vert.x backend and an Angular.js frontend... Anyone with me?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Deven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Chris Rockwell <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chris at chrisrockwell.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like the voting, Alan. This is how I'd vote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   3 votes - Performance demo talk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  3 votes - Devops Slides
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 votes - Agile discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 votes - Design/Development Patterns
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Rockwell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:14 AM, alan blount <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alan at zeroasterisk.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Assuming I had 10 votes to spend, I'd spend them on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following topics (in order of mention on this thread):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  2 votes - Performance demo talk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 votes - Vert.x
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  3 votes - Agile discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 votes - Design/Development Patterns
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I'll also offer to walk-through a great slide deck on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devops from Velocity:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://adamhjk.github.io/good-at-ops/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 11:19 PM, Deven Phillips <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deven.phillips at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      As Wes and I had discussed on the drive to/from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cincy; design patterns are an under-taught concept... I am not sure if any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and all of the design patterns can work outside of compiled languages, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some of them can... For example, there is a framework called Flow3 for PHP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which implements Dependency Injection and Aspect Oriented Programming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capabilities. There are a number of DI and AOP implementations for Java and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C++. With C, it can be implemented, but it is kinda a moot point because of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . . . pointers.... :P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      There are MANY design patterns which some consider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best practices and some consider the worst heresy... Things like the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Builder pattern are controversial, but Factory patterns are pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> universally accepted. Here's a list of some common design patterns:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_design_pattern#Classification_and_list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Deven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 9:36 PM, John Hicks <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> johnhicks at gulfbridge.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Thanks, Deven! Such a selection!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What say the rest of you? Any of these topics pique your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interest? (For my part, I'd love to learn about those design patterns
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves. And they would apply to all languages.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/07/2014 09:08 PM, Deven Phillips wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Hi all!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Sorry I have been absent so much lately, but new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> house/job/etc...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I'm willing to put together some information about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following topics if there is interest among the group:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  MoreUnit - http://moreunit.sourceforge.net/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An Eclipse plugin for helping to generate unit tests for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Java code
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Vert.x - http://vertx.io/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  A Reactive development platform which allows for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> polyglot (multiple language) application development (An alternative to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Node.js)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Eclipse - http://eclipse.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A quick guide to building your own custom Eclipse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distribution with features like real-time collaboration over the Internet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Saros), test coverage analysis (Emma), and Gradle build support.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Google Guice - https://code.google.com/p/google-guice/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tools and libraries for implementing Inversion of Control
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (IoC), Dependency Injection (DI), and Aspect Oriented Programming (AOP)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> design patterns.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  These are some of the tools I use every day at work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developing enterprise server applications supporting millions of virtual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines, thousands of virtual datacenters, hundreds of clusters, tens of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> co-location facilities, and over 10,000 customers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I could also talk about:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Agile Software Development Practices - Why you should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be doing more than paying them lip service.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Story Writing For Projects - Keep is simple smarty!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scrum/Kanban/XP/etc... - Agile development methodologies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in depth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  We could also just have an open discussion about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything and everything!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Looking forward to seeing you all there!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Deven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 7:00 PM, John Hicks <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> johnhicks at gulfbridge.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On 07/07/2014 04:12 PM, Ben wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can talk about FreeBSD a little..it's prepared and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ready
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I spoke with Ben about this. He has decided to postpone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this and to to spend some more time using FreeBSD before presenting on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know FreeBSD has some strong proponents. Anyone using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it that wants to work with Ben on a presentation at a future meeting?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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